Tuesday, April 19, 2005

WE Blog Spin Roberta Anderson's Story

Ex- but pro- Cohenite supporter apparently had a sudden conversion experience on "WHAT Enlightenment" blog. In just under 4 days, Roberta's psyche caved in to an alternate "good cop -bad cop" routine played out in front of an assembled audience of self-appointed exit-counsellors, anti-cultists and fundamentalist Christians.

The WE blog editors wary of recent criticisms over bias, bigotry and distortion decided to throw their critics a bone. A carefully pared down one when they posted Roberta Anderson's balanced but shaky testimony on the front-page of their blog. Boldly tagging it as "A Letter Of Appreciation For Andrew Cohen By Roberta Anderson" they insulted their readers intelligence in assuming that they would not see through their ruse. Roberta clearly was an ex-Cohenite who had her doubts but this fact apparently went unnoticed by the canny WE blog editors.

How could the WE blog editors have missed the fact that Roberta wrote in her first sentence that she wanted to "damn" Cohen?

None the less, WE's more dumb posters started to attack Roberta - perceiving her, on the implication of their editors, as a Cohen supporter.

Until, at least, Roberta mentions her doubts about Cohen, then suddenly WE blog is full of hugs, kisses and back-slapping. Hallelujah! Roberta has been brought back to her senses and saved from Satan! If only. The reality is that Roberta was cynically played. She still has some way to go to sort out her reality.

WE blog went as far as to frontpage post a second piece by Roberta in under a week. This is unheard of at WE blog whose productivity is slower than a camel's fart and half as generous to real critics i.e. the unstaged, non-stooge variety. A sort of recantation "Through a Mirror Darkly?continuing to try to see clearly! Further Reflections from Roberta Anderson" has appeared today.


So what will happen to Roberta? After a week she will be casually dropped. But don't worry manipulative "exit-counsellors" will fight for a share of her spare dollar$ if they can convince her that she needs their "help". But more about these anonymous anti-cultists and deprogrammers in WE blog later including "Freebird" later ...

37 Comments:

At April 19, 2005, Anonymous Mathew D'Arcy said...

So true!

This is what I love about your blog it gets right behind the story.

I am going to post a link to it over at WE blog and see how they respond.

 
At April 19, 2005, Anonymous Shane Willis said...

Matthew

I have seen your post. It is #14 in the comment list. It is pasted below just in case they censor it.

Mathew D'Arcy posted at WE Blog on Tuesday, 19 April, 2005:

Few of these posts address the apparently remarkable conversion of Roberta execpt for one article.

I won't post the whole text just link. Hopefully you are open enough to allow it to remain.

WE Blog Spin Roberta Anderson's Story "

For the record I am not a Cohen student but I am interested in both sides of the discussion.

 
At April 19, 2005, Anonymous Clive Grisholm said...

Let us not forget.

Roberta's line has not fundamentally changed.

The issue still is "Do you want liberation bad enough to have your ego blasted?"

Whether you can stand the heat is another thing.

We don't get to choose except in our dreams - and that ain't real.

 
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At April 20, 2005, Anonymous Roberta said...

Imagine my surprise in finding my post to the WE blog appearing here on this site. It?s probably my own dim-wittedness, but having read through the posts on this blog I can?t figure out what you guys are up to or why you are spending so much energy on what appears at least to my reading to be pretty silly stuff. It?s certainly okay to be concerned over ?unfair censorship?, but to make a whole blog devoted to this boggles my mind just a bit. Despite the fact that you apparently have several bones to pick with the WE blog, the truth is that at least as I see it, there are actually a number of sincere people posting there who are genuinely struggling together to sort out and come to a deeper understanding of their own experience. And they really want to do this because they are actually interested not in their own evolution, but in trying to learn more about what works and what doesn?t work in this arena for everyone who finds themselves drawn into wanting to grow and evolve. They want to do this because they actually do care about these rather delicate and profound matters of the human heart! I can?t seem to find anything like this ?heart? on this blog..

And furthermore (!), my own experience does not to me resemble anything like my ?psyche caving in?after being played and being manipulated by some kind of insidious ?good cop-bad cop routine?! Wow! I am merely continuing to see more and more deeply into this pretty confused situation because I am continuing to look..and look?and look?because of my own genuine interest in wanted to come to terms with it all. I definitely agree that I ?still have some way to go to sort out my reality?!?and I frankly hope that this will always be true. One of the many valuable things I learned from Andrew is that the best we can to is to find tentative hypotheses about the truth of anything, and to keep our eyes open and continue to try to keep examining whatever it is. This matter of ?Truth? I think is a pretty subtle matter, and whenever we think that we ?have it down? we have lost it. This is part what I tried to express in my last post about the difficulty of holding All Of It simultaneously.

And as for ?being casually dropped? by these evil WE blog editors in a week or so ?I can?t even wrap my mind about what this could mean. Despite what may appear to be differences between us in trying to come to terms with our own experience, the fact is that all of us are very old and dear friends. Even if we may appear to have different ideas, we actually respect what each other have to say and know that we can all learn from each other--there is something far deeper going on than one face or another appearing and disappearing every week on one blog or another.

And re your last point about the ?manipulative exit counselors fighting over my spare dollars?! I don?t unfortunately seem to have too many spare dollars, and if I did, I am pretty sure I would quite a few other things to do with them than using them to get ?deprogrammed? or whatever!

With warm regards,
Roberta Anderson

 
At April 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys miss everything, where is your heads, she called him fashionable and handsome twice (2), she's a serial guru groupy that moved in with Andrew after losing the bed Da Free John (have you heard about the orgies went on there)?, so I want to get really uncensored I want to know all the dirty bits. Come on Roberta you can tell us ?

Hey and tell Trixie Ive left the key outfor her tonight.

 
At April 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Shaolin-Monk,
What tremors ran through me when by sheer accident my finger pointed to enlightenment uncensored on my favorites list and lo and behold there was finally a new post and I shuddered seeing my name mentioned at the end. You still think of me with such affection, egh Monk?

You must say I exited WE most gracefully and refined having posters attack me one after another like hungry sharks. I refused to be the morsel in their feeding frenzy, and left with dignity and alive.

I almost gave up on this post and cried rivers of tears, but things have changed with my appearance to enlighten all.

By the way not once did I try to deprogram anyone at WE, but I spoke the truth when I said sado-masochism rules in Andrew Cohen's community. I left no feather behind at WE and flew directly toward your blog.

For now Aufwiedersehen,
Hugs
Freebird

 
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At April 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your sound sounding like you see allot of conspiracies. I wasn?t sure which way you were going to play that one. I was thinking you might think she was a plant , surprised you missed that one or that she came from
Da Free John, then she could have been a serial guruest, and how many times did she say he was handsome, and well dressed those went through your guard . If you don?t pick up your game I will have to start a site of my own www.whatsenlightenmentintelligentsuncensored.com so Roberta you seem like a very modern women, what were the sexual politics of Foxhollow, did he ever have threesomes or did he want to watch ?

If he did what was he like? Was he good? . I have always said to my friends that if you want to really know someone you?ve gotta sleep with them. Allot of people laugh its never failed me. It give you real insight into their heart if you look into their eyes while your doing the business.

Hey I want to start a local Cohen group where I live. We thought we could meet at the pub every Wednesday night and slap each other around a bit and then go back to someones place after for a bit of communicat - oing.

Thelma

 
At April 20, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seriously seeing clearly will be a piece of cake for Roberta compared to the hard work ahead figuring out as to why she is attracted to controlling and enslaving men. I truly wish her strength that she will never be in this sort of relationship with anyone ever again. Wow 22 years is such a long time of your life to be abused.

Yea, I agree with you poster picking up the same thing about handsome jewish teacher, fancy italian clothes, good talker, always keeping everyone happy within the astral sea and aglow. It has nothing to do with a spiritual life.

I find as the years pass I could care less about more material things, but pray for spiritual treasures instead.

Freebird

 
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At April 21, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Freebird,

I love you

Jed

 
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At April 22, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow -- the censored "uncensored" site. What a joke. Shameful, really, Shaolin (i mean, er, Brad, Andrew, Craig...and others??) so lame. oh, the hipocrisy, oh the humanity. and is it true ief students are forbidden to read the real WE site? so sad.

 
At April 26, 2005, Anonymous Roberta said...

Dear Friends,

This site is getting pretty tantric! Due to the incessant pleadings of a couple of people (possibly one person masquerading cleverly as two or more?!) for me to please give them a few juicy tidbits and titillating tales about life behind the scenes in a couple of raucous ashrams run by a couple of highly infamous gurus, I?ve decided to throw out a few crumbs for your enjoyment!

My worst fear is to that many of you boys (and girls!) will probably be dreadfully disappointed with the actual profound drabness and austerity that was the relentless prevailing drone and tedious background of my nineteen years with these astonishingly beautiful and profoundly awakened masters I was mysteriously blessed to bump into this time around.

My timing was WAY off with the first guru?one could even call it abysmal. Instead of the ?Garbage and Goddess? times which I?d secretly hoped for and which reputedly resembled some kind of fabulous ongoing Roman orgy, I straggled in at a time when the devotees were in the stage of wearing grey and brown clothes. Only. To work and everywhere---hair covered in this weird ?babushka?like thing at all times for women. Besides this we had to practice celibacy, eat nothing but steamed veggies and brown rice with NO condiments (fruit was considered to be overly titillating to the senses!). Sometimes we got millet. And besides THIS we performed pujas and chanted and sang seemingly constantly and did what seemed like endless cleaning chores?for months and months and months! No make-up and no jewelry (except for plain tiny hoop earrings). Plain, plain, plain. It was worse than those Jesuits or those even worse truly kick ass Trappists!

And even WORSE than having to endure all of these severe deprivations, that mean teacher Andrew made me shave my head (causing my own sister to say I resembled someone in a concentration camp!). It was awful! And besides this we had to practice celibacy to boot. For seven years! I don?t know how I stood it. Must be that stern father and my not- so -secret gluttony for punishment lurking in the background acting up again. Plus we did these FULL prostrations, hundreds of them, nearly every day but Sunday for years! And me such a poor little weak thing with bad knees. God almighty it was terrible!

So as I said earlier, l will be deeply chagrined if I feel I?ve let even one of you dear bloggers down with these thoroughly unglamorous and utterly unsexy tales, especially those of you who?ve been waiting patiently for actually quite some time now for The Real Truth. I even thought about making something up (!) to liven up my tale at least a bit, but the really funny thing is that I?m discovering that Truth Really Is Stranger Than Fiction. Can you believe it!?

With love,
Roberta

 

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