Thursday, April 28, 2005

Intelligent Readers "BoyCott" Hal Blacker's WE Blog

Ex- and current Cohen students have been staying away from "WHAT enlightenment??! " blog in their droves over the last few weeks as two non-students Freebird and Craig T. battle it out for blog comment supremacy.

Meanwhile, WE blog's heavy-handed Stalinist revisionism has been revealed for what it is by a poster to our exposé blog. The poster found a copied-and-pasted WE blog page dated April 18 which was posted on April 26 to a yahoo group by Sam Vaknin before it was censored!

You can compare the censored and uncensored pages by following these two links:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/3688

http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com/2005/04/through-mirror-darklycontinuing-to-try.html#comments

You will immediately notice that the WE blog editors have been indiscriminate in the censorship and have permanently erased important on-topic Cohen-related issues.

Hence it follows that WHAT Enlightenment Uncensored $$$ is the only safe, secure place for your IEF and Andrew Cohen related posts.

Whilst non-students of Cohen battle it out at WE blog (passing disparaging remarks at WEU for not rising to their time-wasting off-topic taunts), the WE blog editors have hit back with a vindictive, dictatorial wave of reader's comment cullings and a statement of supremacy.

Today, the typically silent Helene (or is that Hal Blacker?) was aroused enough to post a curt "Note From The Administrator" in which she (or he) took the time and space to lambast our WEU blog. In effect, Hal/Helene was telling their readers not to read out blog. The micro-managers hands always revealed!

Writing in the plural form, Hal/Helene stated "we feel that further discussion of the WEU "counter-blog" is unwarranted and unnecessary here ... We feel it should not be taken seriously." He/she further warned of more censorship (as if it was not already a common activity) "we also will be periodically removing comments that do not further the discussion here."

Hal/Helene then promised the non-existent audience, "we hope to have a more substantive headline posting in the near future, and appreciate your patience."

Note that WE blog does not actually have a "substantive headline". The last two ultra-vile WE blog posts have been roundly criticized by all concerned for their violent language, namely "Missing THE POINT " and "Of Cohen, Koresh And Authoritarianism."

It looks like WE blog is failing in its agenda to spread rumour and terror among Cohen's spiritual community. Anyone inside the community know that Hal Blacker repeated assertion that there is a "Code of Silence" is a malicious load of old crock!

Many readers have been hurt by the insensitive politics of WE blog's hidden micro-mangers. We hope that our blog WHAT Enlightenment Uncensored $$$ can provide them with a space for honest refelction and healing.

66 Comments:

At April 28, 2005, Anonymous Vicky said...

Today I posted this at WE blog as a liberal voice of moderation in these current hard times. I hope that the blog administrators can hear it.

Vicky
XXX


Helene,

You should only allow registered users to post.

But be aware, that posters will go elsewhere to discuss Andrew.

Tellingly, you have not revealed why you posted the last two articles. The Gurdjieff poster seemed to me to be way off-topic.

It seems that readers have voted about these issues and the editorial silnce by leaving.

It might be healthier to allow them to post or encourage them to go over to WEU blog.

Just my 2 cents,

Vicky

 
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At April 29, 2005, Anonymous WE Blog Gets Desperate said...

I can think of nothing sadder than the idle speculator who hasn't the balls to own up to the 70-plus posts they have made against WEU blog.

You don't dare post on WE blog. Of course not!

 
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At April 29, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems like the refugee from WE blog who posts spam comment hatred here is a homophobe.

There is no evidence that Andrew or Shaolin or Brad or anyone you have mentioned are gay, but you sure feel it would be funny if they were.

How sad

 
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At April 30, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

This blog used to have some good stuff on it. Recently it has degenerated into an embarrassment of puerile name-calling and mud-slinging. I am checking out, as I suspect any and all people with a serious interest in evolution will be doing as well!

 
At April 30, 2005, Anonymous Grahan Blenk said...

To the last poster,

WEU cannot be held responsible for the fact that some irrate person who might be an ex-student (they clearly know a few names and seem to be very upset) is posting here and having a conversation themselves. Some kind of therapy?

It may be necessary to introduce a login system?

WEU is still daring in its expose.

Graham

 
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At May 01, 2005, Anonymous Willy said...

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At May 01, 2005, Anonymous Helene Blacker said...

Shaolin and Binman

Please take these crazies back.

We have had to ban all posts at WE blog.

Helene Blacker

 
At May 01, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Willy,
are you Dave Reid? Why not use your real name?
We do know that it is Brad (and probably others working with him) who is running this blog. There are many reasons we know this, some discussed here. One of the most telling reasons is a failure to deny it by Shaolin himself.
We also know that the "Helene Blacker" post is a fake.
Finally, if you knew anything about the internet, you'd know that it isn't that difficult to trace the ip source of internet posts, if you know what you are doing.
So, think again.

 
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At May 01, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Folks you cant trace IP addresses on an ASP blog service like blogspot, there isnt anything to trace other than the Blogspot IP add.

 
At May 01, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

One of the posts that got caused all the fuss at WE I only got 2/5


I get the feeling that in the west the purpose is more to do with being self absorbed. I might be wrong and my apologies if this offends but you all seem very self focused. The underlying point is I guess that none of you really have suffered much at all compared to the degrees of human suffering in the world today. You can basically slap each other till your blue in the face but its not really suffering in human terms. Its not even abuse, that?s not to support Andrew he seems like a bit of an idiot and of course a teacher shouldn?t conduct themselves in that manner but the suffering related in this blog wouldn?t be considered suffering at all by most people. Maybe you all haven?t seen much of life. Roberta for instance has been locked away in ashrams for most of her adult life. You all seem to relate enlightenment to personal comfort or something similar . Realization to most people here sounds like to be a flush of ego mania. So Andrew has somekind of realization about the relational nature of all things to all things , so motivated by this he writes books, builds compounds, locks people in communities, drives fancy cars, puts pictures of himself everywhere like he is someone special (god what an ego) and then treats everyone like shit for their effort. Your all just fat over fed self indulged children who have nothing better to do that contemplate your navels.(sorry that?s the crazy wisdom you deserve) . Oh my god that?s going to cause a stir. But its true and that?s the facts you people need to face. You tell your little stories like they are actually important , do you know how many people live in poverty in each of the cities you read this ? Do you know what happens in the real world ? So this self absorbed self appointed guru decides he is going to evolve the world by sitting around on your ass, wake up. If you really want enlightenment go to the local soup kitchen and help out, adopt and homeless child, join your local Greenpeace group it doesn?t really matter just do something and get on with your lives. I don?t think it really matters whether Andrew survives or doesn?t he nobody in the big scheme of things, no body at all. This site is a disgusting waste of time, its masturbation for the rich and lazy. So is Andrew Cohen?s work !!!!!!! its all a waste of time that?s the truth. So everyone when you were watching everyone get slapped and drowned or whatever the abusive event what did you do? Andre when you decided your child was less important than Andrew who was really to blame? Or when you told your child that your wife had cheated on you who was responsible. Your all a bunch of numb skulls Dorian Grays who are fasinated by their own reflections. There is nothing enlightening about anything any of you have spoken about in any of this blog. The truth is you have all been wasting your time. Even if Andrew is crazy (and he sounds it) he doesn?t rate on a world scale of badness. How many people died this year at the hands of another? how many children suffered malnutrition? Come on you idiots wake up !!!!!

Jeremy

 
At May 01, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the second one I got the rest I missed including another one from jeremy

I am a social worker and academeic in DC working in child welfare. I have spent my life helping people and I have seen more human misery than most. I am not in pain or in anyway angry but I thank you for you wishes and return them in kind (big hug). I also don?t want personalize this on any of the characters I have read about here. As background I have been a Buddhist for 25 years.

I simply want to wake a few of you up. Enlightenment isn?t some personal journey about making yourselves feel better. These crazy stories I have read here I find revolting, they are so self indulgent , so so so self absorbed. I know that peoples pain is relative to environment and experience but this is ridiculous. I do not wish to devalue any of your heart felt stories but my friends you need to really get out in the world and find some relativity to how so many people in this country of ours put up with suffering 100 times more difficult than anything that?s been talked about here.

If you saw this suffering my guess is that it would put some perspective on some of the issues your facing emotionally etc . Has any one offered an answer to AD?s question (What?s the purpose of Enlightenment?), what are you all doing with your lives? Where I come from if a father doesn?t provide love and support to his child he is held accountable, in your world it somehow AC?s fault. Where I come from if someone participates in abusive behavior they are held accountable with the perpetrator.

Please explain to me ? What are you all on about? I don?t mean the AC bit because any healthy person would withdraw from that situation . I mean what bought you there in the first place ? What did you think you would achieve?

I am not confronting you to make you feel bad. Nor is it about me judging any of you. Nor am I saying that you haven?t had some bad life experiences of your own. Nor am I attacking anyone personally or devaluing their pain.

All I am suggesting is that you have all lost referential integrity with the suffering of other human beings. What seems perfectly reasonable to you is actually very warped in terms of love, compassion and goodness. AC sounds by any measure to be a cruel self serving malignant human being but he sounds like he has always been that way. In my world I haven?t got time to endlessly analysis things I need to find pragmatic solutions to real human suffering.

AD above worked it out after a month it took some of you folk over 10 years. So you participated in all of this abuse for a long time without questioning it. Now they want to escape accountability for your own actions, its someone else?s fault, AC is a bad guru. Where is the personal regret for the lifestyle they chose, the actions they took, where is the personal accountability, you want to blame AC, well yes he certainly has some major responsibility but what did you expect from a man like this ?

I am trying to shock to some extent some all of you need to be shaken. I wish we could borrow Michael Moore for a quick documentary on the Cult of AC. Do you folk have any idea how foolish you would seem?

Jeremy Travis

 
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At May 02, 2005, Blogger Hollow Fox said...

With all the deleted and censored comments here, and now the inability to post comments freely and anonymously, this blog has become completely irrelevant.

Better to get the real story about Andrew Cohen's abuse, exploitation, oppression---AND the possibility of real freedom and healing--at the original blog:

WHAT Enlightenment ??!

http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger Hollow Fox said...

Check out the real story at:

WHAT Enlightenment ??!

http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com

We got more than 12,600 hits last month, and just keep growing in popularity! (that's a lot considering that the Cohen group probably numbers just a few hundred actual students).

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger previously censored said...

A previously censored fave:

Captain Renault said...
I'M SHOCKED, SHOCKED, TO SEE MORE CENSORSHIP HERE!!!

OH MY GOD!!! I have lost my faith in humanity. Not only was one obvious parody censored from this blog--whose only purpose is suppose to be uncensored, did you forget that angry monk?--but two others that went with it were also removed to the trash bin, where they lose all context and meaning. Here they are.
PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE AGAIN YOU EVIL CENSORS!!

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger previously censored said...

another previously censored fave from the censored archives:

BINMAN ADMITS, "I FAKED THE DoS ATTACK"

Apparently affected by my liberal application of metta loving kindness in his general direction, Binman admitted to me this morning that he had fake engineered yesterday's supposed DoS attack.

"I couldn't take it," Binman told me. "After my spiritual teacher Andrew Cohen lost it at the recent retreat at Foxhollow, and demanded that everyone there come up, one by one, and slap him in the face as hard as they can, I have been feeling deep insecurity. Who can I follow now?"

Sobbing uncontrollably, poor Binman admitted to me that he had posted the articles from the What Enlightenment??! blog, and had temporarily taken this blog off line yesterday as a cover up after realizing what his intense inner divideness about Cohen had caused him to do.

Binman's confession came about after I repeatedly asked him what he had done with all the "archives" of the What Enlightment??! blog that were supposedly used in the DoS attack. They were nowhere to be found in the Trash Bin, and, as he knew, this was a direct violation of our blog policy. Binman stared balefully at me for awhile, and then broke down and confessed.

"I made up the whole thing," Binman cried. "But you can't hold it against me. After all, YOU made up the whole thing about censorship at What Enlightenment??! in order to have an excuse to start your own little blog empire, get praise from our teacher Cohen, and get to slap and boss me around, to boot."

Struck by the truth of Binman's words, I could do nothing but give him a big hug, "girlie man" be damned, and forgive the loveable fool.

We've both been under a lot of pressure lately. That slapping scene at the Foxhollow retreat really got to us--following, as it did, on the heels of Andrew's students pulling a Balsekar and getting up during the retreat one one by one to accuse him of serious abuse. (The whole sorry incident began when a Cohen student from Paris named Jean Valjean jumped up in the middle of meditation and shouted at Cohen, "J'accuse!") These events were followed by rumours that Cohen was planning to resign as president of IEF and hand over its leadership to Craig Hamilton. All in all, Binman and me are really wondering what we've been doing with our lives the past 15 years or so, and, as you can imagine, that's tough.

I feel your pain, Binman. All is forgiven. Please come home.

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger previously censored said...

Another previously censored fave:

Anonymous said...
I love you Shaolin I love you with all my heart but they have to finally be told (Roberta did it)I cant take it any longer I have to tell every body about me, you and thet GayLord of all Gaylords Andrew Cohen. I have to leave you now I have to follow my own path and be true to everything you have shown me.

I have started a new site its called WhatEnlightenmentgay and its dedicated to my love of you and Andrew .

Jed xxxx

http://whatenlightenmentgay.blogspot.com/

April 21, 2005

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger previously censored said...

More previously censored faves from the censored archives:

Anonymous said...
I thought there might be something sensible here in this blog that might give an alternative view on the WE blog.

But basically it's a load of crap.

April 03, 2005

Anonymous said...
ho hum.............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

April 04, 2005

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger previously censored said...

Another little previously censored fave, and good morning and good day!

Anonymous said...
the one cool thing about this blog is that it is totally uncensored free speech. i appreciate that, Shaolin you a-hole!

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger Vince said...

This is so ridiculously lame. Just seeing the infantile fight between these blogs makes Cohen and his community of "fueding children" seem more then a little sketchy. As for me, I'm leaving both of your blogs alone....

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger Hollow Fox said...

Right on, Vince, feuding is unseemly. But I hope that does not obscure for you the real, verified reports of serious abuse in the Andrew Cohen community, reported in depth on the What Enlightenment ??! blog.

It is hard for folks who have been subject to such abuse to resist doing battle with a blog like this one--which appears to be an obvious front for the Cohen community, designed to further abuse, harass and intimidate Cohen's victims.

The really sad thing is how many serious seekers have been completely derailed from the spiritual path by Cohen's abusive tactics. This is well-documented in numerous corroborated reports by folks named and folks too intimidated to give their names, on the What Enlightenment ??! blog.

As someone who is interested in integral spirituality, and who has a connection with Ken Wilber, I certainly hope you have taken the opportunity (or will do so)to let him know about all the evidence against Cohen on the What Enlightenment ??! blog. Wilber's apparent endorsement of Cohen, given his influence, may cause inestimable harm to innumerable sincere seekers.

Please do read the articles closely and check on the facts at http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com . And forgive us if at times our passion for the truth and healing of so many who have been harmed pushes us to do something that seems a bit unseemly. Although possibly unseemly, it seems important to actively resist the harmful deception being perpetrated here.

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger Zorro said...

its a good question you should be asking Ken Wilber ? Why endorse a Blue meme guru with such a checked history. We arent just talking about a few isolated complaints ?

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger Hollow Fox said...

Definitely not just a few isolated complaints, Zorro. Just check out the accounts on the What Enlightenment ??! blog. We have reports by courageous long-time students such as Susan Bridle, Ernest Mavrides, Roberta and many more recounting multiple instances of abuse, both physical and psychological, as well as the manipulative extraction of enormous sums of money from disciples under conditions that can only be fairly described as psychological duress.

There are also corroborated descriptions of a general intense and pervading atmosphere of fear, guilt and shame througout the community. And of many folks just giving up on spirituality altogether after a few horrible years with Cohen. It's a pretty distressing situation, and is described in detail, by numerous people on What Enlightenment ??! blog.

I suspect these posts will be "disappeared" pretty soon, given the awful track record of censorship on this blog. So I recommend everyone follow the links to What Enlightenment ??! blog asap, and bookmark them so you can purview all the very valuable information there at your leisure. Don't forget to scroll down and check out articles in Hal Blacker's "Breaking The Code Of Silence" series. (The code of silence is pretty extreme in Cohen's community, so you'll probably only get the real facts at http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com .

I would think that Ken Wilber would be very very interested in these accounts. And that any one working with him would be doing him a really big favor by calling them to his attention.

Thanks, Zorro, for asking.

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger Hollow Fox said...

Sorry, the link to Ernest Stas Mavrides great article--essential reading for anyone interested in Andrew Cohen or guru abuse-is Letter From A Senior Student or http://whatenlightenment.blogspot.com/2005/02/letter-from-senior-student.html.

 
At May 02, 2005, Blogger Zorro said...

Hollow Fox,

You might tell Hal and Co @ whatenlightnement to turn the blog back on. I didnt read what caused the shut down but its going to kill the hit rate pretty quickly.

 
At May 05, 2005, Blogger Zorro said...

Code of Ethics for Spiritual Guides

[Preamble] People have long sought to enrich their lives and to awaken to their full natures through spiritual practices including prayer, meditation, mind-body disciplines, service, ritual, community liturgy, holy-day and seasonal observances, and rites of passage. "Primary religious practices" are those intended, or especially likely, to bring about exceptional states of consciousness such as the direct experience of the divine, of cosmic unity, or of boundless awareness.

In any community, there are some who feel called to assist others along spiritual paths, and who are known as ministers, rabbis, pastors, curanderas, shamans, priests, or other titles. We call such people 'guides': those experienced in some practice, familiar with the terrain, and who act to facilitate the spiritual practices of others. A guide need not claim exclusive or definitive knowledge of the terrain.

Spiritual practices, and especially primary religious practices, carry risks. Therefore, when an individual chooses to practice with the assistance of a guide, both take o­n special responsibilities. The Council o­n Spiritual Practices proposes the following Code of Ethics for those who serve as spiritual guides.

[Intention] Spiritual guides are to practice and serve in ways that cultivate awareness, empathy, and wisdom.

[Serving Society] Spiritual practices are to be designed and conducted in ways that respect the common good, with due regard for public safety, health, and order. Because the increased awareness gained from spiritual practices can catalyze desire for personal and social change, guides shall use special care to help direct the energies of those they serve, as well as their own, in responsible ways that reflect a loving regard for all life.

[Serving Individuals] Spiritual guides shall respect and seek to preserve the autonomy and dignity of each person. Participation in any primary religious practice must be voluntary and based o­n prior disclosure and consent given individually by each participant while in an ordinary state of consciousness. Disclosure shall include, at a minimum, discussion of any elements of the practice that could reasonably be seen as presenting physical or psychological risks. In particular, participants must be warned that primary religious experience can be difficult and dramatically transformative.

Guides shall make reasonable preparations to protect each participant's health and safety during spiritual practices and in the periods of vulnerability that may follow. Limits o­n the behaviors of participants and facilitators are to be made clear and agreed upon in advance of any session. Appropriate customs of confidentiality are to be established and honored.

[Competence] Spiritual guides shall assist with o­nly those practices for which they are qualified by personal experience and by training or education.

[Integrity] Spiritual guides shall strive to be aware of how their own belief systems, values, needs, and limitations affect their work. During primary religious practices, participants may be especially open to suggestion, manipulation, and exploitation; therefore, guides pledge to protect participants and not to allow anyone to use that vulnerability in ways that harm participants or others.

[Quiet Presence] To help safeguard against the harmful consequences of personal and organizational ambition, spiritual communities are usually better allowed to grow through attraction rather than active promotion.

[Not for Profit] Spiritual practices are to be conducted in the spirit of service. Spiritual guides shall strive to accommodate participants without regard to their ability to pay or make donations.

[Tolerance] Spiritual guides shall practice openness and respect towards people whose beliefs are in apparent contradiction to their own.

[Peer Review] Each guide shall seek the counsel of other guides to help ensure the wholesomeness of his or her practices and shall offer counsel when there is need.

This draft for public comment was released 10 August 2001. The current version is available o­n the Internet at www.csp.org .

Copyright © 1995 - 2001 Council o­n Spiritual Practices

Box 460820
San Francisco, CA 94146-0820
USA

Permission is hereby given to reprint this Code, provided that the text is reproduced complete and verbatim, including the CSP contact information, copyright, and this notice of limited permission to reprint.

 
At May 12, 2005, Blogger previously censored said...

Did anyone else notice that this "uncensored" (that's a laugh!) blog came into being on the exact same day that the "This Enlightenment?" blog-- Cohen's previous anti- What Enlightenment ??! blog--was removed from the blogosphere, never to be seen again? Interesting "coincidence", isn't it?

"This Enlightenment" was a blog featuring re-hashed "defense of the guru" type articles, managed by Brad Roth. (Brad expertly using the "advaita shuffle" --a term, ironically, he invented--to dance the "guru shuffle" on behalf of Cohen!)

That "This Enlightenment" went down on the very same day this blog went up is pretty good circumstantial evidence that this blog is also a Cohen mouthpiece, probably managed by Cohen "family" outcaste servant Brad Roth. (Roth was a former Cohen right-hand-man who fell from the guru's grace and was banished to spiritual Siberia for years before finally working his way back to a servile position managing vicious blogs whose sole purpose is to further harass, intimidate and victimize former Cohen students. Rumor has it that Roth still is a persona non grata at Cohen's Fox Hollow compound.)

Even more convincing of the fact that this "uncensored" blog is a Cohen mouthpiece being managed by Brad Roth is the fact that the previous comment posted here setting these facts out was not only censored--it can not even be found in the binman censored bin. It was totally disappeared!

Cut too close to the bone, eh Andrew and Brad?

 
At May 12, 2005, Blogger previously censored said...

Hey, y'all, check out the really beautiful portrait of sadistic pseudo-guru Andrew Cohen--Spilling The Guru's Blood--You Asked For It, You Sonofabitch done by revolutionary holy american buddha artist Tara Carreon aka Ambu Fortuna Zapata Gaudi! Not to be missed!!!

 
At May 13, 2005, Blogger Zorro said...

so keep posting it up everytime they take it down keep posting it up

 
At June 02, 2005, Blogger Hollow Fox said...

Great new article on the WHAT Enlightenment??! blog about Andrew Cohen's financial exploitation of his students and how his community virtually imprisons them.

It's called Karma Will (Literally) Cost You And Leaving Isn't Easy.

Really got the juicy facts. Check it out!

Brad, I know you'll really enjoy this one, too!

 

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